Or I have men who contact me to say that they'd previously thought of themselves as good guys, but had read my work and then realised that actually they were just neutral or they weren't doing enough in their own lives. And I say that because I've had quite a lot of men, especially in recent years, contact me to say things like, ‘I used to read you and I hated you, but I kept reading and now I get where you're coming from’. So, if I do that, if I do address people who aren't already on side, I must do it in a way that makes them feel uncomfortable enough to want to interrogate that discomfort. And people's advice for that tends to be, you have to sort of handle them with kid gloves and you have to use a carrot and a stick kind of method, which really isn't my approach at all. I don't know if I've ever sat down and consciously thought, ‘How do I target the middle ground?’ Or, ‘How do I target people who don't agree with me’. And I do that sometimes because sometimes it's also nice to preach to the converted and I think that preaching to the converted gets a bad rap, but sometimes when you're working in an activist space, it's actually quite healthy and beneficial for you to all take time together in that space to bolster each other up and to not have to work so hard to convince people, that's actually part of good self-care. How do you find that middle ground?ĬLEMENTINE: It's a good question, because so often it's easy to fall into the trap of just writing for people who are already on the same page. Now, I guess my first question, I'm interested in how you, as a writer seek to write for and persuade those members of the public, who may not already agree with you, or may not already dislike you. I remember nothing of it.ĪSTRID: Now I would like to talk to you about your two books Fight Like A Girl and Boys Will Be Boys, but also the last decade where you have been a public commentator and writing in public. ASTRID: Welcome to The Garret, Clementine.ĬLEMENTINE: Thanks so much for having me.ĪSTRID: Congratulations on the launch of Boys Will Be Boys in Melbourne last night.ĬLEMENTINE: Thank you.
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